LOGO: deep imprint of a tulip design, flower is in made up of 3 imprinted triangles with a small stem and two crescent shaped leaves on either side.
BEVEL: none
SCORE: none but there is a slight dimple in the centre of the back face. Almost unnoticeable.
TASTE: bitter but not intencely bitter like a normal good pill such as a Green Mitsubishi, or Light Orange Butterfly. There wasn't that usual intence bitter aftertaste either. Actually it tasted also kind of slightly sweet, and when chewed had a taste that reminded me exactly of the strange sweet (safrol) smell from green mitsubishis (hope that kind of makes sence). Also made the tip of my tongue tingle for a few minutes (don't remember this ever happening before with a pill). Note: I read later on erowid.org that pure MDE is reported to not taste quite as bitter as MDMA.
SMELL: none
Marquis - Had to use a slightly bigger scraping than the usual tiny trace ammount need for this test. Purple spread grew quickly on contact.
Mandelin - Used a tiny scraping. Dark purple spread grew very quickly and eventually the dark purple went the usual dark green/blackish after maybe 30 sec. (Seems to be normal MDxx reaction and not speed. Speed is supposed to turn light green on contact)
Mecke - Used a tiny scraping. Spread grew on very quickly on contact. It went a very dark blue.
Simons - Used a small scraping, although I used a bit bigger scraping than for other pills I tested, Mixed buffer well with reagent and poured onto scraping. Didn't really see too much of a reaction. Nothing I could take a photo of. Started fresh and tried it again with a larger scraping. A faint, thin and small blue streak was seen in the first few seconds, it floated on the surface and dissipated easily.
Robadope: Used a bigger scraping, still nothing like an 1/8th of the pill (I think this is unnessisary as I got a positive reation with 2 differnet types of capsules I tested using much less than this scraping.) Mixed buffer well with reagent, poured onto scraping and no reaction seen even after a couple of minutes.
[This is a re-post of the report I made earlier this year. I had added a warning also and some more info. These are still in circulation]
Sorry for the long report. Needed a good description of effects to do this pill justice as is likely to contain a high dose of MDEA.
The reason for the warning is that I feel they can produce overwhelming effects that are different from MDMA. Just be careful as I have personally witnessed the effects of aphasia in one user. This is an effect of MDEA reported at high dosages in Pihkal. Someone experiencing aphasia can hear what people are saying but the thoughts of what to communicate seem to vanish. The user is unable to speak and communicate with others but is fully awake and not sedated. The effects of these pills hit very suddenly. One minute you just start to feel something the next it is at full effect with strong eye wobbles. These I have seen with other pills showing the exact same effects that I highly suspct is also MDEA. One inexperienced user I saw become overwhealmed in a panic state when it came on. Her eyes looked as though they where rolling around (and going crosseyed sometimes) she was also making very strange facial expressions that seemed quite difficult for her to coltrol. It really did not look good at all and attracted the many people to ask if she was ok or needed help. Her insecurities and fears became hightened very much. It took at least half an hour or more (and also vomiting) before the comforting of close friends could help her to relax. MDMA is noted in psychology related books as reducing fear and also comes on smoothly and not all of a sudden. In my opinion MDEA is much more likely to produce a panic attack than MDMA.
Just a note: The first time I tried this pill, 1 month ago and I know it doesn't count for much as it was taken towards the end of a night out and after 2 other strong (tried and tested) pills. I did notice that maybe 2 hours after taking the Tulip I felt strange. Like I wasn't really feeling good and rolling any more even though my eyes were huge for many hours after and I new there was still a lot of MDxx in my body (couldn't sleep when I tried to ect and was still quite chatty) I felt sad/impatient/anxious at times. Music was no good. Just was not the best feelings at all. I can't say I've ever have a comedown like this. At the time I thought that I'd just taken too many pills and exhausted myself. But even in my past experiences on similar high doses of MDMA I didn't feel quite like this. Usually quite the opposite I'll feel so cruizy and relaxed and peaceful and quite often fall asleep without much trouble.
The second time I made sure the test conditions were better. This time the Yellow Tulip was the first pill of my night out. I had not taken any pills in 1 month. I had taken 5-HTP over the weeks ahead. I took some antacid before but ended up being a couple of hours before dropping so probably didn't increase the strength of the pill. I had not eaten that much on the day of dropping. I still had a little food in me before dropping.
4:40 Chewed up the pill. 4:57 I think maybe might be starting to feel tiny bit dreamy already, not sure. When I turn my head I keep thinking I almost see things out of the corner of my eyes that aren't there. 5:10-5:20 Think short term memory and perception is slightly different now as something I just looked at a few seconds ago seems bit newer and stranger. I feel little bit strange. Now the tree I'm under seems huge and dark surroundings make me feel like I'm in a fantasy movie. It's a bit too much, I feel a little frightened. I look away from the tree over to where I was walking to before. It all looks different. Colours now look brighter and more vidid, the scenery looks new and interesting. Something's definately happening now. I feel like I'm on a trip yet my thoughts are not trippy, and my imagination isn't running wild (actually my head feels strangely silent from thoughts but I can still think okay) it's my perceptions that are weird like on something a bit trippy, Sound is sharper and louder yet kind of distant sounding. Colours are brighter and more vivid, Things I have just looked at moments before are now so different, stange and interesting. 5:30-5:40 Whoa, It has really kicked in now. Perseptions are wacked. Thought comes to mind "I´m in randomville." I turn my head and whatever I look at, it's as though I've never seen it before, so interesting, new and bright. Makes everything seem kinda fun. I walk by some lights and have to look away, at the ground as they are so damn bright (I´m guessing my eyes are dilated as hell). In a word, I feel chopped. I don't know if it's my vision that's all fluttery or my perseption of everything around me but I definately feel smashed/stoned and its fun. It´s not so euphoric or that normal floaty/nice/lovey or even head in the clouds feeling as what I´m used to on good MDMA pills but rather a lot more of a smashed feeling. My palms feel cold and clammy, and I feel kind of unusually sweaty. I'd be happy enough walking around here doing whatever as everthing's kinda fun walking around smashed like this but oh boy I gotta go find a can as really feel like I wanna spew, take a dump, and take a leak all of a sudden. Strange because I've never really felt nausious like this on pills before. Even after taking many in one night.. I realise that that a few minutes ago when I was pretty sober I was feeling the cold, now I feel quite hot and could easily do without my jacket. Depite feeling quite chopped (maybe the most smashed I've felt on MD pills before) I remember typing a long SMS on my phone so my vision must have been able to focus on things in front of me quite well. Around 5:55-6:30 I sit down and chill to music as some damn good tracks are on. I realise that I don't think it would be a good idea dancing like this as vision/perception is quite chopped and I don't feel the usual light, bouncy, dancey feeling at all. I walk around a little, sit down chillin and end up chatting to some randoms for the next while. Feel quite chatty, but still not really lovey or so peaceful and euphoric, I think my memory is pretty fucked. Realise I am getting anxious and impatient chatting. Realise I forgot about finding a bathroom and the urge has completely gone away. I also realise I don't feel nausious at all any more. I'm clearing up in my head, less smashed now feeling quite solidly anxious, or rather very impatient. I've been sucking my throat and licking my lips like crazy, now they're sore. I can also can taste grit in my mouth from grinding my teeth a lot. This is not like me at all on good MDMA pills. I try to chill and relax for the next 1 hour or so but nothing helps much. I can´t believe It, its like it's impossible to relax much. Completely the opposite to how I normally am when a pill is wareing off. I think I peaked (or rather was smashed for maybe 1 hour or 1½ hours if that then just came down very quickly. I feel like I want to take something more but this soon on I want to be sure the pill has finished and I wanna chill out as usually I find it so easy to relex and feel totally peaceful when a pill is waring off. 7:20 feels like I have been waiting for ages to be sure that the pill has fully come down. My eyes are still big and vision a little blurry but next to nothing´s going on. I´ve been totally clear headed, and back to earth for the last 20 or 30 mins. Not feeling any peaceful relaxed feelings. Comedown was really crap. One of the crapest I´ve had. Even listening to music doesn´t really cut it. I feel unusually anxious, impatient and a bit sad. I find myself flicking though and fast forwarding tracks I normally totally love. I descide to have half a Light Orange Butterfly. Maybe 40mins later I realise that my vision has gone more blurry for a bit but not much else worth mentioning. Didn´t bring me up, or chill me out. I still feel the crap feeling comedown from the Yellow Tulip. Same thing as before listening to music. I now feel really tired and hot and then cold. At maybe 8:30 or 9 I lie down and try to sleep but for the next 3 hours or so find my imagination running away. At times it's like I realise I'm fully dreaming but then realise I'm not aleep. Not really that unpleasent but I'm exhausted by 12 or 1 I'm asleep.
A couple of months ago I saw 2 of my friends on these and they had a similar hard hitting but 1-1½ hour smashed peak then it was over except for blurry vision and some chattiness, and mild residual feelings. Overall they thought it was pretty poor. Although one friend did mention some odd effects such as feeling "electricity" going through his body when the peak was on. He liked the effect but said he couldn't stop his leg from shaking. So he just held on to his girlfriend until the shakes stopped. One guy I saw who had taken 3 Tulips was like what you read about people on high dose MDE. I talked to him and he could barely get a few words out, he then tried to use hand signals but still found it difficult. Then it was too much effort and he lay down stareing at the ceiling. Other people where not interested in music when comming down off these. I lot of uneducated randoms were saying the usual "oh I think it's got smack in it" or "it's a very smacky pill" or "my friend always throws up on a smack based pill". So yeah it seems likey to me these contain a high dose of MDEA.
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24 Comments
complex (member since September 29, 2005)
Top reports man. Informative, interesting, funny. Good stuff.
October 14, 2005, 6:21 pm GMTseansfoot (member since October 1, 2005)
TOP report man, thanks.
October 14, 2005, 9:54 pm GMTExactly my thoughts re the contents of these pills, thanks for the detail in your trip report, it helps :)
madkiwi (member since September 29, 2005)
you have to much time on your hand's mate... these pill's rock big time people if ya can get them bye them you want be sorry.... there are so many weak pills out there.... THESE ROCK
October 15, 2005, 12:00 am GMTbackstreetgirl (member since September 30, 2005)
These are right up there with the red russians.... They're the best i've had. Even better than the green mitsi's i reckon.
October 15, 2005, 12:04 am GMTkingpin (member since September 30, 2005)
Best report i think ive ever seen... Good work...
October 15, 2005, 1:49 am GMTcyberdyne (member since September 30, 2005)
2 questions as the report on these reads somewhat like multiple reports of an adulterated batch of pills in my area;
October 15, 2005, 7:20 am GMT- Did anybody report notable visual disturbances on these, either after multiple doses or after the peak had worn down?
- Did you feel emotionally drained the following week?
chemmatey (member since October 9, 2005)
good report lad lots of info good pic
October 15, 2005, 9:47 am GMTekstasis (member since September 29, 2005)
cyberdyne
October 15, 2005, 12:09 pm GMT-Q1: Yes, Myself and everyone I've talked to had strong eye wobbles as soon as it fully kicks in. In 2yrs of pilling I've never really noticed having eye wobbles/flutter vision nor having such a drunk like feeling as on these (& I've had some strong pills both in Australia and in Europe) I knew it was very odd when it began waring off after an hour to an hour and a half. Even on fairly large doses of MDMA I would not usually feel as smashed and the duration is always much longer. My friends noted very blurry vision once the peak had worn down. Unable to read his phone. Some other people have reported some carpet like patterning/visuals once the peak had worn down on multiple dosages. The carpet like visuals seems consistent with MDEA trip reports posted on erowid.org and bluelight.ru
-Q2: Both times I took these I defineitly felt emotonally drained and "seedy" as the pill effects were coming down. My insecurites were very hightened and I felt very vounerable and just wanted to sleep. This was very noticeable 12-24hrs later. I went to work feeling physically cold, insecure and depressed. I don't remeber how long during the following week it took to feel better but it would have been at least a few days. In 2yrs of pilling this is very odd for me. I normally feel good coming down and 12-24hrs later (after sleep and food) I am normally feeling quite happy. Never anything close to as bad as these 2 times.
dg102 (member since September 30, 2005)
Hi, I read your last few reports about these and the tulips. I'm a bit confused now. I'm not doubting that u know what your on about here but maybe there were 2 batches of the tulips. I just had my last 1 on Friday. Every 1 i had was clean as, I could compare them to caps. Me and my mate stocked up on em when they were released about 4 months ago because both of us agreed they were the cleanest pill we had in a long time. Were supposed to be getting some more tulips, but now you got me thinking maybe theres new ones that arnt mdma. I'm sure you would have had the ones from a few months ago. Do you think they are the same? The ones we had i can personally vouch for, definatly good dose of mdma. They look identical to the ones in your pic. But dont know bout the colouring can't tell cause of the pic, I heard some say they had orange 1's mine were more yellow i think.
October 16, 2005, 2:46 am GMTekstasis (member since September 29, 2005)
Sorry man but "clean" is a rather vauge statement. Have had people on straght MDA pills describe them as "very clean". I usually ask people what are you describing when you mean "clean". From the people I've talked with the Tulips that have been around recently have had the same effects as the ones that were around from March.
October 16, 2005, 5:54 am GMTNot denying that MDE is similar in effects to MDMA you still feel happy, more open and able to chat than normal but there are notable differences. That honesty, complete openess and postive self viewing as well as the strong caring for self and others that brings empathy and love is not really there with MDE. That magic that makes MDMA so unique and special (and a such a good tool in psychotherapy) is missing. In many ways I find the effects of MDE kind of like alcohol. Maybe that's why a lot of the younger people like these pills so much... because they get you more "smashed".
jarrodrules (member since October 15, 2005)
Is MDEA even illegal I was caught with 8 white crocediles from the start of the year and when they mailed back the results of testing i was told i now have two charges possession of a dangerous narcotich and possession of pre-cursor chemicals obtained to synthesise MDMA. what the fuck are they talking about, do they use MDEA to make MDMA?? my results said 68mg MDMA;46mg MDEA; with trace amounts of the following;- piperonal,isosafrole,caffeine.
October 16, 2005, 7:08 am GMTcomplex (member since September 29, 2005)
yea id imagine it is. Probably the same class as mdma, but im guessing.
October 16, 2005, 9:32 am GMTI think i prefer mda over mdea, and mdma over both of them.
ekstasis (member since September 29, 2005)
jarrodrules: Thanks very much for those test results. Very interesing to see a readout that confirms MDEA is around. In the future please post this in Bluelight.ru as the pillreports.com guys get pissed with comments about other pills.
October 16, 2005, 9:35 am GMTMDMA was made illegal somewhere around 1985 but MDEA was still sold in the Netherlands as a legal substitute to MDMA until around 1995 when it too was made illegal. So yes MDEA is definately illegal in Australia and probably almost every other country.
No MDEA is not a pre-cursor to making MDMA. MDA is turned into either MDMA or MDEA. The chemical needed to make MDA into MDMA (ie. Methylamine, same as used in making crystal meth) is more highly controlled and harder to get hold of than the chemical (ie. ethylamine) used to turn MDA into MDEA.
Yeah the charges relating to posession of pre-cursors to make MDMA seem rediculous. My advise is get a good lawyer. Also if you can get one who understands a little chemistry it would probably be even better for you.
ekstasis (member since September 29, 2005)
Thanks very much for those test results. Very interesing to see a readout that confirms MDEA is around. In the future please post this in Bluelight.ru as the pillreports.com guys get pissed with comments about other pills.
October 16, 2005, 9:41 am GMTMDMA was made illegal somewhere around 1985 but MDEA was still sold in the Netherlands as a legal substitute to MDMA until around 1995 when it too was made illegal. So yes MDEA is definately illegal in Australia and probably almost every other country.
No MDEA is not a pre-cursor to making MDMA. MDA is turned into either MDMA or MDEA. The chemical needed to make MDA into MDMA (ie. Methylamine, same as used in making crystal meth) is more highly controlled and harder to get hold of than the chemical (ie. ethylamine) used to turn MDA into MDEA.
cyberdyne (member since September 30, 2005)
Put that on bluelight in aus drug discussion and ill do some research for you...
October 17, 2005, 4:51 am GMTchopd101 (member since October 17, 2005)
Yeah, these pills were awesome but I think they messed with my head a bit too much... Let's put it this way - I'm an office chick... I was at Birdees and all of a sudden I turned to my friend and said "Was I just holdin a stack of papers?" She was like "What the fuck?" to which I replied "I swear to god, I was holding a stack of papers- they were really important invoices or something... Oh my god I'm gonna get in so much trouble" I then progressed to spend near to an hour searchin the club for a stack of non-existant invoices...
October 17, 2005, 9:08 am GMTdisorientated (member since September 29, 2005)
October 18, 2005, 9:20 pm GMTdisorientated (member since September 29, 2005)
yellow/orange tulips & doves both hit you hard like a shovel to the back of the head & then drop you afterwards like a bag of shit. My advice be prepared to pay the ferryman when you get to other side as these will make you feel terible for quite some time. Other than that they certainly pack that knock out blow some search for.
October 18, 2005, 9:27 pm GMTlilmunchkin2 (member since October 6, 2005)
This experience sounds similar to mine, and as little as i may be, i know what a hard hitting pill feels like, this one wasnt normal, and i didnt like it, it hit me 5mins after taking it, and throughout the peak i was really anxious and paranoid and not loved up at all, and was seeing the "carpet patterns" that ekstasis described the whole way through the peak and this was off a half. The comedown was aweful, i came home with friends and sat on the couch and could in no way sit still cos i had really yucky tingles all over my body. And to top it off, when ur still confused on thursday from a saturday party night, you know its not good. I think these are shifty. If you have time to read the whole report read it, cos my experience was exactly the same. Party safe ppl.
October 19, 2005, 11:12 am GMTcyberdyne (member since September 30, 2005)
ekstasis:
October 21, 2005, 3:18 am GMTThank you for the clarification, that was very helpful!
nice1bruvvah (member since September 30, 2005)
ekstasis: you've set the new standard! unreal report, particularly because it covered a semi-dangerous pill, which could have been confusing, because some people obviously enjoyed this pill, while others didn't. you presented the case very well, and i'm sure your gonna save someones night/sanity because of it.
October 28, 2005, 9:23 am GMTThanks for caring, dude. :-)
pingin (member since November 11, 2005)
phwoah these pills are sick. i was buzzin for a good 3 hours. very strong these are, didn't make me feel like shit.. but the comedown was BADDD .. couldn't sleep and just felt like total shit the next day. highly recommended however =]
November 11, 2005, 4:59 am GMTlil rocker (member since November 14, 2005)
hey for me these pills are hardcore when i had em they hit me hard straight away pretty much... bad eye wobbles and vomiting and a very bad come down and that was only 1 pill... think my body was just saying no 2 drugs that nite lol but yeh id agree theyre a strong bikkie. didnt enjoy it much though cos i didnt really have control over it and myself like i do usually... i was feeling really paranoid and not happy loved up all up it screwed me a bit and for a few days after too... hey nice report very detailed and lengthy lol keep it up
November 15, 2005, 1:46 pm GMTguaiguai (member since November 18, 2005)
thx for helping me to know it and i wanna ask where can i get buy it in sydney i cant find it
November 19, 2005, 1:27 am GMT