Posted by
November 1, 2009
Date Submitted
steveshutt
Description
These were bought in Zurich in the last 7 days. I am calling them blueys .. i don't know if there is another name for them. They are plain, with a break line on one side. These are not a blue version of the 'little pinkies' in my previous report. These are taller in height, and slimmer in width - i estimate 3mm X 6mm.
These pills are very crumbly.. they would disintergrate really easily on contact with water or sweat.
This pill is a mystery to me. It sends both marquis and mandelin dark blue/black. But neither Simon's nor Robodope react at all. This is shown in the pic. Top right is Marquis, Top Left is Mandelin, bottom left is Simon's, bottom right is Robodope.
What chemical will make Marquis and Mandelin react.. but that isn't a primary or secondary amine ?
Apologies for the pic. Camera phone. I welcome camera advice.. what's good for taking these close ups.. and cheap ?
POSTSCRIPT - I have redone the reagent tests and i get similar results. The response from Marquis is normally quite pronounced with MDXX chemicals, when i re-did this the response, although going to dark grey, seemed a bit half hearted. Mandelin went straight to black, Simons and Robadope reactions were zero. This is shown in the new pic.
The Marquis response is consistent with DXM. I am unable to test this further with Mecke (which goes yellow on exposure to DXM) because my Mecke is completely black (i guess it oxidised). I have emailed EZ Test to ask what colour change to expect when DXM is in contact with Mandelin. If the answer is 'black' then this would appear to confirm an ID of DXM.
AND FINALLY
- i took the pill to www.saferparty.ch on 10th Nov. I got the results back just now by email. The results are available here:
http://www.divshare.com/download/9408396-a85
(if you ever wondered what these results look like).
Basically the answer was:
28.9 MDMA HCL.
No other psychoactive substance, just lactose and filler.
It was a clean pill... just every weak. You'd need 4 of these. No wonder it sent Marquis and Mandeln black. I guess the lesson is: weak pills may fail to register with Robadope and Simon's reagents. And weak pills may send Marquis black slowly.
best wishes - steve.
These pills are very crumbly.. they would disintergrate really easily on contact with water or sweat.
This pill is a mystery to me. It sends both marquis and mandelin dark blue/black. But neither Simon's nor Robodope react at all. This is shown in the pic. Top right is Marquis, Top Left is Mandelin, bottom left is Simon's, bottom right is Robodope.
What chemical will make Marquis and Mandelin react.. but that isn't a primary or secondary amine ?
Apologies for the pic. Camera phone. I welcome camera advice.. what's good for taking these close ups.. and cheap ?
POSTSCRIPT - I have redone the reagent tests and i get similar results. The response from Marquis is normally quite pronounced with MDXX chemicals, when i re-did this the response, although going to dark grey, seemed a bit half hearted. Mandelin went straight to black, Simons and Robadope reactions were zero. This is shown in the new pic.
The Marquis response is consistent with DXM. I am unable to test this further with Mecke (which goes yellow on exposure to DXM) because my Mecke is completely black (i guess it oxidised). I have emailed EZ Test to ask what colour change to expect when DXM is in contact with Mandelin. If the answer is 'black' then this would appear to confirm an ID of DXM.
AND FINALLY
- i took the pill to www.saferparty.ch on 10th Nov. I got the results back just now by email. The results are available here:
http://www.divshare.com/download/9408396-a85
(if you ever wondered what these results look like).
Basically the answer was:
28.9 MDMA HCL.
No other psychoactive substance, just lactose and filler.
It was a clean pill... just every weak. You'd need 4 of these. No wonder it sent Marquis and Mandeln black. I guess the lesson is: weak pills may fail to register with Robadope and Simon's reagents. And weak pills may send Marquis black slowly.
best wishes - steve.
Last Update
November 18, 2009
Logo
None
Colour
Blue
Shape
Round
Texture
Crumbly
Suspected Contents
MDMA
Rating
MDxx Low
Warning
No
Tested
Yes
Mandelin Reagent
Black
Marquis Reagent
Grey
Robadope Reagent
No Reaction
Simons Reagent
No Reaction
Consumed
No
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6 Comments
bearlove (member since August 25, 2008)
Never seen these kind of results before - just had a look around to see if I could find anything (Erowid, Dancesafe, Wiki, bluelight etc) and cant see anything at all. Will see if I can find anything and come back with an update .
November 1, 2009, 9:22 am GMT(ravelinks do have a similar pill but they have a problem with their site atm)
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steveshutt (member since November 1, 2009)
hi Bearlove, what's the URL of the ravelinks 'pillreports' ?
November 1, 2009, 7:15 pm GMTbearlove (member since August 25, 2008)
I think I may have misread the header this morning - search came back with
November 1, 2009, 7:47 pm GMTSimon: Nothing. These contain ZERO mdma. Stay clear. Suspected Contents: Unknown Rating: Non-Active .... Marquis Black / Purple General Comments none ...
I read it as one report - its two seperate lines :(.
bearlove (member since August 25, 2008)
I asked about this over on the Bluelight testing pages and the only suggestion that came back was perhaps MDA or MDA with piperazines :0. Couldnt say for sure though so I wouldnt be taking them. If you get these tested please update the report
November 4, 2009, 7:27 am GMTBL*Mod
steveshutt (member since November 1, 2009)
Bearlove - MDA changes Robadope to red/orange.. There was no Robadope reaction (as specified above). steve.
November 4, 2009, 10:31 am GMTsteveshutt (member since November 1, 2009)
I had these tested. 28.9mg of (clean) MDMA. The report above has been updated as appropriate. cheers Steve :)
November 19, 2009, 1:45 am GMT