Pill outside taste like amphetamine chemical, but there was a definite taste of anniseed when I crunched and swallowed my 1st half of second pill in a glass of water, Anniseed taste is distinctive to PMA. I had had a half to start with, seemed like a slow/weak e... not much happened took another half, feeling better, only a little euphoria, started feeling tired, took another half, tiredness turned to nausea, couldn't sleep, massive headache for 4 hours, thought I may have to go to hospital, sick guts for 2 days. Unable to look at light, couldn't stop drinking water. Stay away from these bad boys, I wouldn't waste your money or your life... Get a test kit people, I wish I did!! gone are the days when all you had to worry about was whether your e was cut with coke or smack. Now e's aren't even e's. If you're stuck with these and don't want to waste them don't drop more than a half (and I don't recommend you drop it at all) as the e high you want won't come with a full pill anyway. Dont sell them on as e either, or someone is going to get hurt. Me not like this one!!!
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27 Comments
glockworkorange (member since September 29, 2008)
there are pink yellow and gray ones floating round to !!!
June 18, 2009, 12:23 pm GMTekstasis (member since September 29, 2005)
A smell or taste of aniseed or safrol does not indicate PMA or MDxx. There are commonly fragrance additives in adulterated pills at the moment to give the illusion of a decent quality pills.
June 18, 2009, 12:51 pm GMTPMA is increasingly uncommon. It was more common in the 90's but after the hospitalisations and deaths that resulted it is has seemed to drop from the market. Your symptoms don't spell out PMA specifically. PMA is a psychedelic with MAOI properties as well as working on the usual serotonin pathways that normal psychedelics work on because of these properties serotonin syndrome is common. Symptoms can include high increases in blood pressure and once the serotonin syndrome becomes at a highly dangerous level the body temperature increases and can kill the user by going over 41°C. Users have described hellish episodes of hallucinating and having to take off all their clothes and lye on the bathroom tiles or in the bath to keep their temperature down.
I would suggest reading these pages to start with:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_PMA.shtml
These days what is becoming very common in adulterated rip-off pills is piperazines such as BZP, TFMPP and mcPP. If I was to make a guess this would be the most likely possibility as to what was in the pill you had judging by the side effects you mentioned. Piperazine pills are flooding the market world wide but I would guess that they might be even more likely to be found in New Zealand as piperazines were sold on a large scale there legally not that long ago and so there could still be stockpiles around. Common reported side effects of piperazines are headaches, migraines, nausea which can last into the next day, heart palpitations, seizures, inability to sleep for up to 2 days afterwards and generally a very nasty sick/shaky feeling is common for a day or two after using. Other than that the main effects are reported be stimulant like amphetamine though TFMPP is more psychedelic and can give the user hallucinations. There can be some mildly similar effects to MDMA but generally it's reported to no have the empathy or amazing feelings that you can have on MDMA.
A good read is this page, read the bit under Toxic Effects:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzylpiperazine
Also the comments about pills being cut with heroin (smack) or cocaine is for the most part and urban myth. I would recommend this page: http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=25
If you still believe that you have pills containing PMA or heroin or cocaine then by all means please by a test kit and lets see the photos proving it. If not, then lets put these old urban myths to rest.
~Ekstasis -Mod Aus/NZ
yzpila (member since January 2, 2009)
Ekstasis, i couldn't have said it better myself, pips for sure, i've had pma in the old 04/05 omega days and i can tell u this doesn't describe PMA at all. And as for harry/coke in pills, that just doesn't happen, keep up the good work ekstasis and Dancestar, thanks for reporting on a bunk pill. peace.
June 18, 2009, 10:44 pm GMTrolling007 (member since March 6, 2009)
Spot on guys. I dont mind PMA only in small doses (1 flipper). Haven't had any in about three years though, just not out there anymore. Really different stuff if you can handle it.
June 19, 2009, 12:11 am GMTekstasis (member since September 29, 2005)
rolling007, I am very interested to know what lead you to believe that what you had in the past was actually PMA? Was it tested at all? Also did anyone you know who took the same pills/powder have a dangerous reaction? I am very interested to know the effects you (and any friends had). Also did you enjoy the experience? If so why? How did effects compare to other drug experiences (MDA, MDMA, 2C-I or mescaline, LSD, ect). Thanks
June 19, 2009, 12:47 am GMTApologies for hijacking the report a little. I just think that if someone has real experience with PMA (which is rare) it is good for others to hear about it.
~Ekstasis -Mod Aus/NZ
rolling007 (member since March 6, 2009)
The fellow that i got them off tested them on a kit, i am not sure what tester kit it was, i trusted him and he has been spot on every time. They were little pink hearts and the pill was in the shape of a heart. They were in Adelaide down south ways about two and a half years ago. I got on them at least two times from what i could remember, first time i racked half and the come on was similar to mdma rushes, but not as lovey and more charged, did the dishes like i was wizzing off me head. Second time i had a couple on a road trip, could kind of compare to mda feeling. When we arrived at destination, my misses had one, and we sat out the back smoking bongs for an hour flat out, went through about three grams of green. I remember i was dribbling crap off my head, and my misses was looking at me weird, i asked her what the problem was and she didnt know who i was. Was a bit freaked out since we'd been together over 12 months. Did heat up a bit but nothing to extreme. We were outside in the cold anyways which probably helped. I think the pills would have weighed about .15g, very small things. Felt like shit the next day. Overall i would compare it too a mda/speed based flipper. Have gotten on the LSD about 6 times the last 6 months, and does not compare to that at all. I havent tried any 2-c's in decent amounts so cant compare to that. I have never had a flip since that compares to it...and i used to eat on average about 10 a weekend, and have been doing that on and off since 2002. Nowdays i might get on it every second weekend, but because of the shit around Adelaide atm not worth wasting time or money. BTW getting some white mickey mouses tonight, from melbourne way, heard they are good clean mdma, fingers crossed.
June 19, 2009, 4:06 am GMTdancestar (member since June 18, 2009)
Thanks for the info Ekstasis, where's the best place to get a test kit?? I'll put the results up 4 all, I think a kit is neccessary these days. If everone tests then the manufacturers will give up making crap because no one wants to buy shit. People will be safer too.
June 19, 2009, 8:59 pm GMTmarley (member since February 24, 2008)
http://www.ez-test.com.au/ or http://www.enlighten.org.au/wordpress/kit-sales/
June 19, 2009, 11:23 pm GMTI had an E2 Mandelin kit from Enlighten, and have just got a Complete Kit from EZ Test.
Both companies very easy to deal with!
elton2028 (member since January 15, 2009)
I dont like ur chances of importing a testing kit though dancestar. Customs have apparently been seizing them. Better to find a kit from a NZ seller.
June 20, 2009, 12:14 am GMTI agree that if everyone did test then there would be less shit. But as long as the huge majority of NZ users dont, and dealers are prepared to sell this shit because they simply want the money and know people arent going to test then they will be more than happy to stock pills no matter what the quality.
Too many peple have complete blind faith in small, coloured, round pills with a stamp. Even though they are blind to its contents. Too many people are clueless to what MDMA/MDA/MDEA is now because of their own blind faith in these little pills.
To change the state of the NZ market would require collective action by users, which is impossible, since e is illegal
bearlove (member since August 25, 2008)
http://www.enlighten.org.au/wordpress/kit-sales/
June 20, 2009, 8:14 am GMTBased in AU so should be easier/quicker than Ez.test - Its strange why customs would stop them though
elton2028 (member since January 15, 2009)
Its the same bullshit reasoning of the government... "to put the kits to their intended use would require people to commit offences (posession) and so the sale of kits would indirectly encourage people to offend".
June 20, 2009, 11:07 am GMTFuking bullshit, theyre completely turning a blind eye to the fact that such kits help ensure peoples safety (which i thought was a duty of the govt) and the fact that if people cannot test, some are still going to drop the pills anyway arent they???
r32gtr (member since May 7, 2009)
SIGH! Putting charlie or china in a pill is a complete waste of product and nobody does it, the oral administration for that little amount of heroin would do fuck all, and is a waste of product that would otherwise be marketable on its own.
June 23, 2009, 9:16 pm GMTpeople do NOT put heroin and coke in pills, not now, not ever. no. just no.
dancestar1 (member since June 24, 2009)
I've dropped atleast 100 e's, people used to sell them saying they were cokey or smackey, I've tried heroin, and the eye wobble of the harry hit is similar to the the mdma eye wobble (smack the eyes roll up, not left to right like mdma) ... hence the description... I've always thought they were related somehow, but I don't know for sure... As for the coke e's, maybe they're e's not strong enough to smack you out..??? All I can say is the pills need to be tested, thanks for all on the input, my guess is that it is not PMA, but "BZP" + amphetamine, from what all have said. I'm glad everyones got an opinion, I wouldn't like to see anyone get sick off these pills, or others like them. It's time to step up the game on rip off's.
June 24, 2009, 11:55 am GMTexraver (member since June 17, 2009)
haha coke and harry in pills what a joke ..
June 24, 2009, 1:41 pm GMTif you had to worry about coke or harry in a pill you would be more worrying where that 50$ on a pill went.
to get a good run orally on either charlie or harry you would be spending upwards of 50$ on a pill. i have had both harry and charlie before and im sorry but the answer is no considering a decent hit (small amout of harry your looking at 50$+ and for a good dose of coke about the same. if you got a smacky* pill there u were just fkn munted nothing else.
trippin89 (member since October 4, 2008)
hwo much do you guys buy a pill for in new zealand.im from asutralia and i buy mine 200 for 10 or 25 for a single
June 27, 2009, 11:06 am GMTelton2028 (member since January 15, 2009)
Twice the single price to twice plus ten. retail that is. whole lota reasons but its mainly since fuck all has been made here over the years
June 28, 2009, 2:20 am GMTdancestar1 (member since June 24, 2009)
I have to say, to exraver, you are a tosser... coke harry whatever... fact of the matter is if you take enough e, you going to get smacked out and your eyes are going to go nuts.. thats where the saying comes from... go back to kindy. I'm absolutely fucked up from taking so many e's, but there's still nothing better than an e with good mates..(except sex with a hot babe) It's the hardcore raver tradition. Theres not much danger taking "real!!" e except that you end up with an idealistic view of the world. Please note to all those P heads, the best way to give up the p gear is to go raving (thats how I did it), and take e... real e has no comedown and you'll be happy all week. It's the memories of the good times that keep up the lift. If p heads took e, they'd see that there are better things in the world than just drugs, like friends, euphoria, special times, and music.
June 30, 2009, 10:52 am GMTdancestar1 (member since June 24, 2009)
We didn't have test kits 12 years ago, that's just how people described the pills... don't ask me what was in them, I'm guessing that before people started adulterating pills and selling rip offs, all you were told was whether they were smackey or cokey. Times have changed, I won't take pills in NZ again unless I'm sure whats in them, which means I have to get a test kit. So should you all... Hardcore out!
June 30, 2009, 11:13 am GMTdancestar1 (member since June 24, 2009)
Just to show people cut e's with coke, have a look at this nasty baby http://www.ecstasydata.org/viewtablet.php?ID=1701
July 2, 2009, 12:10 pm GMTelton2028 (member since January 15, 2009)
Yeah coke in pills is believeable, not heroin. But i also think its pretty regionally specific too. The pill u gave an example of dancestar1 is from California, where coke is fukin cheap and very avaliable compared to NZ, where is almost unherad of and only avaliable to those pretty well hooked up, and even then its fukin expensive.
July 3, 2009, 2:12 am GMTHeroin, im guessing, has a higher price tag than MDMA wherever you go round the world (maybe except the old Golden Triangle in SE Asia), thats why it would never come up in pills
ocbudsmkr420 (member since August 13, 2009)
pills dont get cut with coke.
September 5, 2009, 4:37 am GMTyouknowyouwantit (member since September 26, 2009)
Does anyone know were you can buy test kits from in NZ?
September 29, 2009, 8:26 am GMTelton2028 (member since January 15, 2009)
mindfuel and alphaware websites
October 1, 2009, 2:59 am GMTlilberta (member since October 20, 2009)
So i was just wondering... How much are pills in New Zealand? Im from Adelaide and pay $20 for one and $180 for 10 pk.... I got told here they are around $60 each?
October 20, 2009, 7:42 am GMTelton2028 (member since January 15, 2009)
nah 50 more often than not. if u built a frequent customer r'ship with sme1 then 40 is poss. its a different situation here from aussie. not very much is made here
October 23, 2009, 6:10 am GMTlilberta (member since October 20, 2009)
Oh ok.. Aucks really seems to be the place with any action happening?? Wanting to travel all of NZ =)
October 25, 2009, 11:17 pm GMTthekingofbeanz (member since April 15, 2010)
they have already tested and found heroin in pills. End of argument. We all know it's not common, but it DOES happen. They have put everything from coke, to LSD in pills. Stop being so closed minded people! But I agree that these pills were not PMA. They don't put PMA in pills anymore. If they did, I'd be dead. lol
April 28, 2010, 3:50 am GMT